Comments on: Be careful when professional activities are more fun than writing https://fionajoseph.com/when-it%e2%80%99s-time-to-rein-in-the-professional-activities/ Sun, 20 Mar 2016 16:10:40 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.4.27 By: Emma Whittle https://fionajoseph.com/when-it%e2%80%99s-time-to-rein-in-the-professional-activities/comment-page-1/#comment-782 Mon, 07 Jun 2010 21:18:05 +0000 http://fionajoseph.dev/?p=1231#comment-782 Oh Fiona – I feel as if you have a direct line to my subsonscious – and it’s telling me off!! Well done on an excellent post. xx

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By: Fiona https://fionajoseph.com/when-it%e2%80%99s-time-to-rein-in-the-professional-activities/comment-page-1/#comment-663 Thu, 13 May 2010 21:55:48 +0000 http://fionajoseph.dev/?p=1231#comment-663 Hi Christine
Great to meet you too this evening and to hear you read so beautifully from your book, The Dangerous Sports Euthanasia Society. Thanks for taking the time to leave your thoughts here on this blog. And good luck with your publishing venture, Novel Press!

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By: Christine Coleman https://fionajoseph.com/when-it%e2%80%99s-time-to-rein-in-the-professional-activities/comment-page-1/#comment-661 Thu, 13 May 2010 19:33:00 +0000 http://fionajoseph.dev/?p=1231#comment-661 “If you’re an established writer how do you manage the ‘writerly’ stuff? It’d be good to know!”
Hi Fiona
It was nice meeting you this afternoon at the 3-Act day –
I don’t know if I actually count as an established writer – but whether or not, I certainly don’t know the answer to your question about ‘writerly’ stuff.
I found your post and all these comments very interesting and can identify with lots of what’s been said -especially the balance – balance- balance.
But it is possible to spend months and months on the wrong side of the balancing act, with no new poetry or fiction being produced while the necessary ‘writerly’ stuff takes over for a while, and eventually find yourself back on track as the ‘real’ stuff comes pouring out with renewed energy.

At least, that’s what I’m telling myself right now, while I’m in the middle of my publishing project!

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By: Nick Le Mesurier https://fionajoseph.com/when-it%e2%80%99s-time-to-rein-in-the-professional-activities/comment-page-1/#comment-249 Sat, 06 Mar 2010 09:43:02 +0000 http://fionajoseph.dev/?p=1231#comment-249 Hi Fiona,

You ask about the experience of editing. I enjoyed it a lot. I loved working closely with authors, negotiating changes, trying to bring out the best in the piece. I was lucky – I had some good pieces to work with and authors who were a pleasure to communicate with. It was for me a step beyond the workshopping process, in that as an editor I had to take responsibility for my views. I couldn’t just say, I like this / don’t like that and walk away. I had to ask myself why I thought what I thought; and were my views really appropriate to the task in hand. A lot of that gets worked out in the process of negotiation with authors, who in my case were each able to see their work ‘in the round’ as it were. Its important to establish a relationship of trust, and given the feedback I got from the people I worked with I think I did that.

Did it do my own writing any good? Yes, for the reasons above. Editing is a very different skill from writing, but helps to sharpen one’s eye and refine one’s sensibilities. But you have to be willing to take on the process of negotiating with people who may not share your views, at least in the first instance. There’s no hiding!

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By: kate m https://fionajoseph.com/when-it%e2%80%99s-time-to-rein-in-the-professional-activities/comment-page-1/#comment-236 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:36:52 +0000 http://fionajoseph.dev/?p=1231#comment-236 Haha, yes we have Withnail and I on DVD. Things are not quite that bad… yet!

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By: Fiona https://fionajoseph.com/when-it%e2%80%99s-time-to-rein-in-the-professional-activities/comment-page-1/#comment-235 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:20:19 +0000 http://fionajoseph.dev/?p=1231#comment-235 Congratulations Rob – I’m sure that hard work was worth it and I wish The Spaniard’s Wife every success. Keep us posted on your submission news.
P.S. When you leave a comment here don’t forget to fill in your website address so people can click over to you and check you out!

Some sobering words, Nick. I wonder, how did you find the experience of editing an anthology? Did it have a positive impact on your writing? It’s the type of project I’ve been tempted to get involved in but have made myself resist, on the grounds that it’s crazy to be involved in everything!

Kate, you sound as if you’ve got a great balance. Just in case you needed consolation about neglected household duties you might enjoy this classic clip from ‘Withnail and I’, embedded on Tom Vowler’s blog post:
http://oldenoughnovel.blogspot.com/2010/02/dont-attempt-anything-without-gloves.html

Ryan, you’re right. As ever.

Federay, thanks for your wise and kind words. Is it true it was your last time in Brum? I’m really sad about that. Good luck with your book – can’t wait to read it. Do you have a working title?
Fiona xx
P.S. Will you bequeath me your yellow gloves?

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By: Federay https://fionajoseph.com/when-it%e2%80%99s-time-to-rein-in-the-professional-activities/comment-page-1/#comment-233 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:14:00 +0000 http://fionajoseph.dev/?p=1231#comment-233 Balance. Balance. Balance.
As in all things.
Easier (I think) to pull it the way you describe. Some writers are so out of touch with the world and their readers all they write about is writing. And their writer-navels. Knowing you – I doubt you are in danger of that!

Nice upbeat and sociable blog. Keep it up. Hurrah!

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By: kate m https://fionajoseph.com/when-it%e2%80%99s-time-to-rein-in-the-professional-activities/comment-page-1/#comment-229 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:53:52 +0000 http://fionajoseph.dev/?p=1231#comment-229 I didn’t sign up for additional activities in the autumn, because I wanted to use the time available to write. But I’ve had fewer family commitments this term so I could volunteer for anthology editing without slowing down my own projects. If there’s a trade off, it’s with my social life, and with everyday chores (the house can get filthy, no one will die).

I’d query whether collaborative work is a distraction from writing per se. Novel writing is a solitary business; but when I’ve scripted animations or comic strips, I’ve written in collaboration with other artists. Not all writing is fiction writing, and not all formats are served well by sitting in a lonely garret.

The internet poses bigger problems for me. A few days without a connection saw my productivity go up quite a bit. It might be time for me to cut the cable, at least on week days.

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By: Ryan Davis https://fionajoseph.com/when-it%e2%80%99s-time-to-rein-in-the-professional-activities/comment-page-1/#comment-228 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:32:03 +0000 http://fionajoseph.dev/?p=1231#comment-228 Yup.
A very good point Fiona. As we all should know by now – writers, write.
Nice blog.

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By: Nick Le Mesurier https://fionajoseph.com/when-it%e2%80%99s-time-to-rein-in-the-professional-activities/comment-page-1/#comment-226 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:26:46 +0000 http://fionajoseph.dev/?p=1231#comment-226 Hello Fiona,

You press a number of buttons in your blog – your best to date, imo.
The truth of the matter is that writing requires dedication and hard work. And certain opportunites and resources. Many failures, little certainty of success. It takes a certain kind of person to do it. Leaving aside questions of talent, you have to be willing, as I think Will Self said in the Guardian recently, to submit yourself to long periods of solitary confinement. Its a lonely job, and if you can’t hack that, don’t apply. It also involves a certain relationship with the world. A distance. Writers should never belong to anything. They should be the grit in the oyster. Difficult. Awkward. Outsiders.

There’s a huge demand for creative writing courses. In our society, writers are like priests. We don’t on the whole belive in organised religion, but we do believe in art, and in particular the word. We also live in a society in which, thanks largely to the internet, everyone can claim attention through the word with the minimum effort. We can all be writers for a few minutes. Result: the triumph of opinion over knowledge. Nobody need submit themselves to the long years of hard work and study needed to master a subject, or to create a work of art.

I wonder how many times I have heard in the course of my time at the NAW students say, I’ve not done much writing lately..? I’ve said it myself. Yet much effort goes into talking about writing, and to chat about this or that opportunity, or just chat. It’s lovely, but its not the real thing.

The thing about a creative writing course is that it doesn’t matter if you succeed or not. Its not like training to be, say, a nurse or a pilot, or a lorry driver. The job of writing for a living does not require you to hold any qualifications (arguably journalism is an exception, but creative writing courses include none of the emphasis on productivity that journalism courses do).

Of course there are some people who come on creative writing courses who do have the stuff that writers are made of, and there are useful things to be gained from the best courses if you are that sort. But these people probably will be writers anyway. Whether what they will write will be as good is a different question.

Meanwhile, the courses attract large numbers of hopeful would-be writers who for a while and a fee can tell themselves they are what they want to be. Some will succeed. Most won’t.

It is clear from the NAW experience that the promised links between the course and The Industry don’t really exist. There are no short cuts. It still depends on talent, hard work, sacrifice, contacts, and luck. Oh, and having something to say. Everything else follows from that.

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